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Dirigisme

What's a better English word than "dirigist" for a centrally-controlled economy? if that's whatdirigiste denotes? some wikification would help clear it up. This is a good entry. Can't believe it's new User:Wetman

Not exactly. Dirigisme does not imply central control, but central direction. De Gaulle never put into place a centrally-controlled economy; France under de Gaulle, as nowadays, was predominantly an economy of private capital. David.Monniaux 11:40, 1 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Wording

The following sentence is a little confusing; it sounds like cause/effect: "he now has a Europhile stance after famously denouncing Europeanism in the Call of Cochin." It sounds like as a result of denouncing Europeanism, he now has a Europhile stance. It probably should sound more like, "he now has a Europhile stance even after (or, depsite) famously denouncing Europeanism in the Call of Cochin." - Michael (talk|contrib)

Mitterrand

Even socialist president François Mitterrand, who denounced de Gaulle's way of ruling as a permanent coup d'état, was very intent on keeping the nuclear deterrent and asserting France's independence.

The fact that he agreed on these two points doesn't make him a Gaullist. These opinions are very natural for a Socialist anyway.--cloviz 14:17, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pun intended?

As well as simply being named after Charles de Gaulle, does the word 'Gaullist' also have connotations of 'Gallic' as in 'Very very French'? Paul J Williams (talk) 08:51, 12 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Just a coincidence HammerFilmFan (talk) 19:45, 24 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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"Populism"

OK gaullists are populists. And Mélenchon is libertarian and Le Pen politically correct? --JFCochin (talk) 10:09, 23 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Peron

If anybody speaks French, I got a story about how the French secret service killed some of the nazis who moved to the South American dream to work for the peronist government.

--JFCochin (talk) 10:13, 23 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Inaccuracy in Principles section

The sentence "Under de Gaulle, France established diplomatic relations with China earlier than any other Western nation" is not accurate. The United Kingdom established diplomatic relations with the Peoples's Republic of China on January 6th 1950 as stated here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93United_Kingdom_relations#Between_the_UK_and_the_People's_Republic_of_China_(1949%E2%80%93present) 2A02:C7D:DA1C:8600:4C1F:949B:DFBB:E358 (talk) 09:30, 1 January 2020 (UTC) David Edwards[reply]

The 1950 UK request was refused by the PRC. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dates_of_establishment_of_diplomatic_relations_with_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China. Yet, I've replaced with "most Western nation" since Norway established relations on 5 October 1954 while being a founding member of NATO. Alcaios (talk) 11:01, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

To merge, given the abscence of referenced content on Gaullist Party and overlap. Klbrain (talk) 15:56, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I propose merging the separate article Gaullist Party into this article (Gaullism). In my opinion, the former article contains information that should be brought together with this one, as it outlines the history of the various Gaullist parties in French political history. I don't really see why they are separate articles, admittedly even though the Gaullist Party article needs referenced added to back it up.--Autospark (talk) 15:34, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the proposition. "Gaullism" should be treated as an ideology in a joint article. --Checco (talk) 20:02, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support - the term for the party is directly linked to the Gaullist ideology, and I don't think the term 'Gaullist party' on it's own should warrant a separate article. If it is merged it should be added in as a subheading. Pohjamadesse1 (talk) 08:40, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - the Gaullist Party article is totally unreferenced (something rather common and accepted on the French Wiki but much less so on the English Wiki). I just added an Original Research template and replaced the 2008 Additional citations needed template by the Unreferenced template. Even if the article was adequately referenced, it would still be way too long to be merged as is. --Lubiesque (talk) 14:37, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Gaullist Party article can still be cut down in size. We don't have to include everything in the page, just the major details. Besides, the tradition of a Gaullist Party is a prominent part of French politics. It wouldn't be hard to add some references at minimum. Pohjamadesse1 (talk) 15:00, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that Gaullist Party is "totally unreferenced" is a further argument for merging it with this article (Gaullism)! --Checco (talk) 21:30, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support - it makes sense to merge such an article. After all, they are related. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 13:47, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also, should Gaullism have its own navbox too? ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 13:48, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Merger complete. Klbrain (talk) 15:56, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please do feel free to trim in the content now that it has moved over. There will no doubt be some duplication, and much is indeed unreferenced (most seems to be a precise from Berstein's book. Klbrain (talk) 15:58, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]