Talk:Glenbrook North High School

Athletics

For some reason, and I assume it is because they are GBN students/alums, someone is inserting a very wordy section on the athletics, academics, and activities at GBN. Please keep in mind this is an encyclopedia article about GBN, not a chamber of commerce ad for GBN. These sections have been deleted for a second time and I hope they dont come back again. These items are very trivial and are not unique to GBN. I have a problem also with people writing about sports when they can only include what has happened recently and thus does not warrant inclusion in an encylopedia article because it is not unique. As the original author of the GBN article, I have noticed several edits from people that are students/alumni of GBN who are not grasping the context of this article in that it illustrates the uniquness of a suburban high school. Please dont use this article as a forum to toot your horn about your basketball team, debate team etc. Cordd

Instead of a paragraph about Scott Sanderson, I added sections on sports and notable alumni. Winning state championships is pretty significant for a high school, and I'd say that some of the people on the list of alumni are pretty notable, too. Cheers. --BaronLarf 21:24, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I like the notable alumni section.Cordd

Does the disciplined character of the GBN article, which I like, mean that we must go forth and wield our cleavers on countless other high school entries (New Trier, Lake Forest Academy, Philips Exeter, etc, etc) which are many times longer with much more minutiae (it's travelogue, really)?

Still, even by the dryest standards, GBN has been sold short. I suggest it is noteworthy that GBN is the only large (Class AA in hoops) Illinois high school to win the state title in each of the big 3 sports, football, basketball and baseball. However, I have refrained from adding this sentence (ready to go with citation), in deference to the author, until there is more discussion. Jrgilb

Votes for deletion

Glenbrook North High School survived vfd. See: Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Glenbrook North High School -- Wile E. Heresiarch 16:09, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Another non-notable high school. I wish other articles could be this long. RickK 06:10, Aug 8, 2004 (UTC)

• Keep, but cut it down and NPOV it. The "power-puff" hazing incident made national headlines in the U.S. --Slowking Man 06:13, Aug 8, 2004 (UTC)
• Keep, I agree with Slowking Man. It's notible enough that it merits a place here. It has close to 4,000 google hits which is significantly more than a non-notible high school that I tested it against (my own, no claim to fame). -SocratesJedi 07:54, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)
• Keep: Kinda sorta wish the puff paragraphs were shorter, but I have no real gripe with them. Probably a good idea to amend the opening sentence so that it's clear off the bat that this article is here because the school has been in the news, and not because everyone should want to go there. Geogre 12:41, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)
• Keep. Needs some cleanup. Speaking as a diehard nonnotable-secondary-school-deletionist... my argument has been that "local interest" pieces are far more acceptable if they say something interesting about the place. One of the arguments for keeping articles about high schools is that alums will get a warm fuzzy when they see the Wikipedia article; but the typical stubby article (address, district, number of students, name of principal) is pleasing to nobody, alum or stranger, and are not valuable nuclei that will induce bigger articles to crystallize around them. I think the combination of a) being setting for Ferris Bueller's Day Off, a notable movie IMHO, b) one silly "in-the-news" item, and c) one significant "in-the-news" item, justifies its inclusion. Plus it gets more Google hits than my own high school. Actually, I'll go further than that. IMHO, this article is a model of how to write a (marginally) keepable article about a marginally notable high school. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 15:03, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC) P. S. While Northrop High School is a model of what not to do. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 00:14, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Comment: Have we seen Northrop High School here yet? Also, Baltimore City College is a different model of what not to do (very notable school, so definitely not VfD). I know two Wikipedians, one who went there and one who worked there, who can't persuade themselves to help it out. Geogre 04:04, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
    • Just put Northrop High School up for discussion. (Incidentally, I vote Keep on this page, but please slim it down.)
• Well beat me with a frozen turd and call me Ferris Bueller, but this is one high school article I vote to keep. Never thought I'd see the day, but there is enough actual newsworthiness her, plus sufficient salacious comment, that it provides info plus chuckle. Denni☯ 01:53, 2004 Aug 10 (UTC)
• Keep. What a nice change. I remember when the "powder puff" thing made national news. While I wouldn't probably vote to keep based on just that, when you throw in the Ferris Bueller connection and the other somewhat notable stuff, you get out a school easilly worth an article. Isomorphic 04:17, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)
• Keep. For the news & film reasons mentioned above. Sahasrahla 04:03 EDT, August 10, 2004
• Yeah, keep - although I'll admit I initially thought that they had a Powerpuff-themed hazing. DS 22:47, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)
• Keepski - I went to this school and I was at the hazing incident. You guys who write stuff on Wikipedia are a bunch of nerds, but that's cool. Anyway, I made some changes that make the original entry better. Also, it's not Powerpuff, that's a t.v. show on Cartoon Network, it's Powderpuff, as in the sporting event where girls play the sport and guys are the cheerleaders. - Babb

End. Survived VfD. Moved discussion.

FYI

GBN also stands for Glenbard North High School -- a school in Carol Stream, Illinois — Ilγαηερ (Tαlκ) 02:40, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Neutrality?

Just an observation, the "Media attention" section seems rather biased, hardly neutral, and not very well supported in claims (i.e. the media will do anything for attention, etc).

I believe I said that, "the media would do anything for better ratings for a couple of days," and that is true. But whatever, I'm just an innocent web surfer who happened to come across some folk who were talking about his former high school, without mentioning the many accomplishments that is associated with the school. Do you guys know that the Glenbrook North Debate Team was National champs for a couple of years in a row? I guess people only care about negative press though, and not press about accomplishments and positive news. In December of 2002, Glenbrook North bought one of their employees a new car and presents for her kids with money that one of the clubs raised. The story was in a couple of magazines, but like I said, you guys wouldn't put something like that in your definition because it is the bad stuff that counts. -- Babb

Page Name

Per a user request I've moved the page back to Glenbrook North High School, which is the name used for the school in the introductory line of the article. If you want it renamed again please discuss it here and reach consensus before unilaterally moving it. --kingboyk 19:53, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Activities

Is "life saving" a real club? It seems like a joke that someone just posted. 128.12.71.14 05:59, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Hazing Incident Deletion

I am curious as to why the deletion of all mention the famous "Powderpuff" hazing incident by an admitted school pupil has gone unnoticed. CatCrofts 00:27, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

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Hazing incident section

The hazing incident section details something that happened over 5 years ago, and yet it's over 1/3 of the article. This seems to be undue weight, and should probably be trimmed down. Arthurrh (talk) 02:05, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I disagree. Seems appropriate, well-written, and of sufficient length. Dmarquard (talk) 04:00, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

I disagree. I went to Glenbrook North the year the hazing occured, and I feel it should be left up. It should be a reminder of the type of behaviour they allow at the school. It was more than just the powder puff football game. They over-emphasize social ability, they treat students who are not social or "outcasts" poorly. I mean the faculty, not just the students. It's a school that finally got the result, from years of promoting social competition over education. I mean, we're talking about girls who were put into such a state of competition, they used animal guts and feces on the girls they were "hazing". That's more like something I'd expect out of a Takashi Miike film.

Also there should be something said for the fact that the parents, did help the girls involved with the hazing. I mean more than just merely providing alcohol, who do you think got the animal guts for them while they were in high school? It's clear that the school cared more about their precious top school image, than actually punishing those sadistic girls. Actually it seems the school cares about their image above almost anything, which is probably another reason they hate "outcasts".

I hope this has helped you understand the importance of why the hazing part of Glenbrook North High School's page should remain there. As an example of some of the worst form of humilation and physical abuse that has occured from girl on girl hazing. Also, apperantly the school didn't want this getting out. If the school wasn't "sanctioning" the powder-puff football game, why did they allow the girls to wear the uniforms they planned on wearing to the hazing in the school? They must have known and just not have cared. They had far better things to contend with like "outcast" kids scaring the poor preppy students after Columbine. When we all now know who the real terrors are. Violet yoshi (talk) 04:43, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

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Great! Notoriety trumps progress, or Why delete GADGET, but not Glenbrook North & Hazing incident?

A nine-user debate on deleting Glenbrook North results in keeping the article for the notoriety of a female mud fight, while a four-user debate on deleting the GADGET (Glenbrook Aerospace Development Get-away Experiment Team) [1] results in deletion per nomination (which reasoning is documented as "a club at one high school is entirely non-notable").

So now we have five external links that promote sites like [2]. Meanwhile, there is no mention of the multiple science experiments flown from this one high school [3]. What other High School has such a flown experiment count, especially considering only 120 Shuttle flights? [4] And a record of activities on the school web site? [5] [6] [7]

But, while this notable Hazing incident [8] and its cover up [9] ("...not make any book or movie deals about the incident...") continue the long tradition, educational outreach thru flown space science experiments reaches the end of a three decade life. [10]

Do my comments violate NPOV? Perhaps. For example, until now, I have not called for a scientific examination of the need for graphic coverage of the need for young females to smear excrement on their bodies as a result of high school ritual, administrator discipline, parental encouragement and alcohol. Thus, from [11],

   1. Use your experience: Consider the problem and try to make sense of it. Look for previous explanations. 

a) Alcohol+Females=>Shocking Graphics b) "High school ritual"==Hazing c) "Administrator discipline"=>"Reactionary behavior" d) "parental encouragement"=="Become adults with alcohol"

If this is a new problem to you, then move to step 2.

   2. Form a conjecture: When nothing else is yet known, try to state an explanation, to someone else, or to your notebook.

a) Parents or students or both, do not have their needs [12] [13] met. b) They engage (inappropriately) in behavior that seeks a satisfying control of their environment and acknowledgment by their peers.

   3. Deduce a prediction from that explanation: If you assume 2 is true, what consequences follow?

a) Consequence: rebellion against the authority whose rules suppress their environmental control needs, b) Consequence: rebellion against the authority whose rules suppress their acknowledgment needs, and c) Consequence: rebellion against the authority whose rules suppress their satisfaction needs, d) Consequence: rebellion against the authority whose rules suppress their self-esteem.

   4. Test : Look for the opposite of each consequence in order to disprove 2. It is a logical error to seek 3 directly as proof of 2. This error is called affirming the consequent. 

a) Opposite of 3a)= Embrace of the authority whose rules suppress their environmental control needs, b) Opposite of 3b)= Embrace of the authority whose rules suppress their acknowledgment needs, c) Opposite of 3c)= Embrace of the authority whose rules suppress their satisfaction needs, and d) Opposite of 3d)= Embrace of the authority whose rules suppress their self-esteem.

Yet, the ultimate result to the hazing incident was for the parents and students to embrace the rules and authority of the administration, desiring to graduate, complying with the gag request, serving sentences for conviction of charges on assault, battery and provision of alcohol. Therefore, the prediction is disproved, and the theory fails.

I also violate "No original research" here, so I am so glad I did this on the Talk pages and not in the article.

Then am I to conclude that Notoriety trumps progress? And if so, on with the documentation of shocking orgy and excess? Let's all ignore the progress of science education, because (ho, hum) exemplary science education is everywhere practiced well as a matter of course... and let's face it, it IS very Boring... and life is more than bean counting photons... I'm so tired... come on, let's give it up for a while... Thank you Wikipedia, for letting me learn how to frame an argument... and why my thoughts do not always fit into logic... Outrage turns to ennui, and reflection reframes thought. SalineBrain (talk) 18:01, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

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DECA

What is DECA? Kdammers (talk) 16:03, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Debate

Upd(eb)ate: 2016 Illinois champions, qualifying for the Tournament of Champions. Since 1982, 18 state champions; since 1980, 13 national champions.(Glenview Announcements April 21, 2016, p. 13: "Glenview debaters heading to nationals" by Irv Leavitt.) Kdammers (talk) 16:11, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Notoriety of the alumnus and NCT Member Johnny

There have been many attempts by fans of the South Korean band "NCT" to add one of the members, John Suh, an alumnus of the high school, to the wikipedia page. Although he does not have an individual wikipedia page, his band does. Does this qualify him to be on the list of notable alumni, or should it be left alone? There are some members of Kpop groups who have their own pages, so that would seem to indicate that until he has his own page and gains notoriety for his individual accomplishments, he should remain off this list. What are your thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lukestepford (talk • contribs) 21:06, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Revamping Article

Hi, I'm improving this article like I did for Northbrook, Illinois. I am going to largely base it off of other high schools' pages like Naples High School and Lane Tech College Prep High School. Feel free to help and fix any errors (especially with citing sources). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meme Star27 (talk • contribs) 00:32, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

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