Talk:Giuseppe Farina

Involvement in Fatal Accidents

While reading through the article, I saw that there was no mention of Farina's involvement in two fatal accidents during pre-war racing. Stirling Moss has gone so far as to call Farina a "bastard" and Enzo Ferrari specifically defended him against accusations that he was dangerous in his autobiography. I've tried to be as factual and impartial as possible - most people tend to implicate Farina directly, but we may never know for sure what happened, so I felt that leaving it at "involved" was the best way to handle it. I cited both Leif Snellman's excellent resource and an article on 8W. Seanobr 02:16, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Number of podiums

The number of podiums (20) includes both 2nd and 3rd place at the 1955 Argentine Grand Prix. DH85868993 23:45, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

What is his name?

formula1.com says his name is Giuseppe Antonio Farina, not Emilio Giuseppe Farina... Which is to be believed? -Fred Bradstadt 12:25, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)

I haven't seen anything but 'Emilio Giuseppe Farina'. However, I'd vote for adding 'Dr.' in front of his name at the top of the article.

"Emilio" was added uncited on this page by a now-blocked editor. I haven't seen anything more than "Guiseppe" in official sources. "Antonio" would make sense given the dimnutive "Nino", though. Any definitive cites? -- Ian Dalziel (talk) 00:30, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Pininfarina

Is there any connection between this person and the one mentioned on the Pininfarina? I suspect that the mention of "Giuseppe Farina" on that page is mistaken and it actually should be Battista Farina--but I know next to nothing about Italian race car drivers. See Talk:Pininfarina for what little I could find out. older≠wiser 14:44, 14 May 2004 (UTC)

The founder of Pininfarina was his uncle 178.78.96.28 (talk) 15:27, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Fatal accident in "icy conditions"?

Given the time of the year (end of june) and the elevation of the alpine region, where the accident occured (Aiguebelle, ranging from 310 to 1008 metres) this seems a bit hard to believe - any references? 77.12.38.226 (talk) 13:37, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

(Furthermore - looking at the topographic features of Aiguebelle commune, there seems to be only one historical main road running through that small community, which basically follows the river L'Arc. As its elevation is only around 320 metres, it's very hard to believe that there could have been any ice on it on june 30, 1966, even at night.) 77.12.38.226 (talk) 14:14, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

I don't have access to the quoted source (Nye's Great Racing Drivers) however these three webpages [1] [2] [3] all describe Farina skidding off on a slippery bend, so perhaps that would be a better term to use. DH85868993 (talk) 14:58, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

"Slippery" sounds not only much more plausible, but would also still be correct if it had indeed been "icy" in summer. However, changing the article to this respect would also neccessiate to check or remove the citation of a source that's not available to me; so not being familiar with wikipedia, I'm hestitant to do it myself right now. 77.12.38.226 (talk) 16:56, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

I've changed it to "slippery" with an appropriate reference; I've left the existing reference for the "telegraph pole" part. DH85868993 (talk) 00:08, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

I have the source here, and can quote the relevant paragraph on page 91: "In 1966 the still fit, proud, first World Champion was driving his Lotus-Cortina to the French Grand Prix at Reims when he skidded on an icy road and struck a telegraph pole. The Great Farina, survivor of so many racing accidents was killed." It's there, in black and white. Jaggee (talk) 21:04, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for that Jaggee. I've restored the original text and reference. DH85868993 (talk) 04:58, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Invilvement in filming

Farina was involved in filming Frankenheimer's "Grand Prix", but he wasn't heading to the 1966 French Grand Prix to do so. Frankenheimer set up his own fictional French Grand Prix and filmed it at Clermont Ferrand, presumably because either "Toto" Roche wanted too much for him to film at Reims or he had signed up with the rival Warner Bros./Steve McQueen film (like the Nurburgring, which is why there is no German Grand Prix in Frankenheimer's film. Ambak51 (talk) 17:06, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

1950 British GP; youngest podium finish and scoring points records

There is a little question whether the youngest records of scoring podium and scoring points (above) at the 1950 British Grand Prix in the bottom of this article should be removed or not. It's clear that Farina (43 years, 195 days old; race winner) crossed the line before Reg Parnell (38 years, 315 days old; 3rd) at the 1950 British Grand Prix. Then, there is a question whether we should consider Farina to have made the youngest records once before Parnell. I removed these records once from this article because I thought a race result is not fixed before race stewards finalize it and it is fixed as "at same time". But, it's depends on when the race results are fixed (I don't know how it was in 1950) and when the records are fixed (interpretation may be various). Then, I re-thought my edit did not have enough basis to ignore the record of Farina. About these records, I would like to request comment. Anyway, I think it is better to add a small annotation about new records set at the same race if keep these records in this article.--Morio (talk) 15:37, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

In my opinion, the wording of the record plays key role. If the record describes a race event, then it is established at the time the event happened; however, if it relates to post-race fact (and I consider points to be post-race as they are the outcome of a committee and not an indisputable fact) then similarly, it is established when this post-race fact occurs, i.e., when the points are announced. In this manner, since the points and podium positions are the result of the stewards validation then Farina did not precede Parnell and the first youngest driver to score a podium position/to score points is Parnell. Now, if the record was for "the youngest driver who finished in position 1-3", then you could say that indeed Farina was the first holder and Parnell the second. My reasoning complies also with the concept of the world championship: When Massa finished in P1 in the 2008 Brazilian GP, his points would make him the world champion; but 39 seconds later Hamilton finished in P5 and eventually he became the champion. It would not make any sense to say that Massa preceded Hamilton as a champion that year. Rentzepopoulos (talk) 10:58, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

This is why original reasearch is not allowed in Wikipedia. Find some sources and then we'll talk, until then this is just fanboy debating and not encyclopedic content. Pyrope 20:39, 23 May 2016 (UTC)