Talk:Anne of Austria

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Is she in Dumas explicitly? (I confess to never having read the book.) Also, who believed Mazarin was her lover? Vicki Rosenzweig

She is in The Three Musketeers and in the first sequel (I think it's Twenty Years After). It's been a long time since i read them, but IIRC, in the first one Anne's lover is the Duke of Buckingham, and there is an implication that part of Richelieu's motivation is some sort of sexual tension (rejection?) between him and the queen. I think there's a reference to an Anne-mazarin relationship in the second book, but it's been a very long time. I know that I've heard that people at the time thought they were lovers, but I can't think where or if it's something that Dumas popularized. JHK

I think the most recently published biography of Louis XIV puts forward the theory that Mazerin and Anne were lovers and that Louis and Philip were actually Mazerin's sons. I remember reading it and thinking that the author made a pretty good case.*Kat* 01:23, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)

Anne of Austria is a central character in the first two "D'Artagnan Romances" by Alexandre Dumas, "The Three Musketeers", in which she is the lover of the Duke of Buckingham, and "Twenty Years After" in which she is the lover and, presumably, the wife of Cardinal Mazarin. The lesser-known second novel describes her and Mazarin's struggle with the Fronde, along with events in England leading to the overthrow and execution of Charles I, all of which involve our favourite musketeers. (User:Eric Wardrip)

She is most definitely in both "The Three Musketeers" and in the sequel, "Twenty Years After". In the first, she is loved by, and confesses her love for, the Duke of Buckingham (but it is never actually affirmed that they became physical lovers), and d'Artagnan (aided by the Three Musketeers) helps her to foil a plot by Cardinal Richelieu aimed at placing her at the center of a scandal (no spoilers as to the nature of the plot or as to how it is foiled: read the book, it's a great read!). In the second, she is stated to have secretly married Cardinal Mazarin and is ultimately convinced by d'Artagnan (following further derring-do by him and the Musketeers) to sign the peace treaty that puts an end to the Fronde. I can't recommend both books enough -- they are splendid page-turners. Partnerfrance (talk) 23:17, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Of Austria?

Why is she called Anne of Austria if she was a Spanish princess? I thought that only daughters (and rarely sons) of Holy Roman Emperors are called x of Austria. 87.250.116.18 (talk) 15:56, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

She was a Habsburg, hence the "d'Autriche". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.193.112.143 (talk) 15:06, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

This is inconsisten. Her aunts were named Infanta of Spain and her sister is also of Spain, not of Austria.--Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy (talk) 21:11, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

That's because this woman is known as Anne of Austria in English language literature. Her sisters and aunts don't seem to be known as X of Austria. Surtsicna (talk) 21:20, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

As existing language points out under "Early Life", the Spanish royals were a part of what was then most commonly known as the House of Austria, wherever ruling. The genealogists' and historians' convention of Habsburg [occasionally Hapsburg in older sources] is largely though not entirely that- a modern convention used for clarity. This is more true of the House of Austria than of almost any other European royals. Still, even the royal House of France was often enough so called, with its sub-branches mainly designated by their cadet lineage names in periods of turmoil or, again, in retrospective historical works. [The French revolutionaries demonstrated by calling King Louis XVI 'Citizen Capet' that they knew perfectly well that France had had exactly one royal family since 987.] The geographic designators wre actually more dominant in pre-19th century usages and, again, especially for the Habsburgs.

With that in mind, no problem at all being called X of Austria, Infanta of Spain. She also held the title of Archduchess of Austria, anyway. That dignity was passed on to more or less all Habsburg princes and princesses in every generation- it was not exclusively a singular title of office.

I have, however, edited out a description of the Spanish Habsburgs as a "cadet branch" of the House of Austria. As I'm sure their ghosts would point out, they weren't a cadet branch of anything. The Spanish Habsburgs were the senior line of the House of Austria. For that one golden age the Spanish Crown was the really big prize when Charles V divided his empire. Austria and the title of Holy Roman Emperor went to the junior line. Random noter (talk) 02:16, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Buckingham affair

How much historical evidence is there for the claim that she had an affair with the Duke of Buckingham? I've always assumed this mostly came from Dumas (and that the historical George Villiers' most scandalous romance was said to have been with James I), but the claim keeps cropping up and I'd love to know how much of it is based on fact (or contemporary rumours).--Snowgrouse (talk) 23:28, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Please clean up

The following sentence is unwieldy and hard to understand: "Vague rumors of betrayal circulated in the court, notably her supposed involvement with the conspiracies of the comte de Chalais that Chevreuse organized in 1626, then of the king's treacherous lover, Cinq-Mars, who had been introduced to him by Richelieu." (It seems to say that Louis XIII and Cinq-Mars were homosexual lovers.)

Please re-word. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.246.76.76 (talk) 13:37, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Duplicate Page

Obviously this page is entitled Anne of Austria. Anne of Austria is Anne Boleyn, they are one and the same because Anne Boleyn was Louis XIV's regent. However, there is one page for Anne of Austria and one for Anne Boleyn, and they should be combined.

Wedding dates

According to Wikipedia in French, the Burgos wedding was celebrated on October 18th, and Bordeaux's on October 21st. --JFCochin (talk) 20:19, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Princess of Portugal

How was she a Princess of Portugal when all other daughters of the Spanish-Portuguese monarchs during this period, who were the eldest child, thus heir-presumptives, at the time, didn't receive this title. Maria Margare, Philip III's daughter, and Margaret Maria, María Eugenia ,and Isabella María Teresa, the daughters of Philip IV. --The Emperor's New Spy (talk) 00:24, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Assessment comment

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In your article on Anne of Austria you state that Anne of Austria's grandson Louis was the sole survivor of the dynasty. This is erroneous. Louis, the dauphin and only legitimite son of Louis XIV, died in 1711. It was his younger grandson, the duc de Bretagne, who survived and became Louis XV. William Thuillier

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Love letters...The Cypher Letters

Their love affair, confirmed by their correspondence, is not mentioned. Here's one source:

• CHAPTER XXIII, THE CARDINAL'S CYPHER LETTERS

Cypher Letters to the Queen — Expressions of Lore and Unfailing Devotion — Letter No. 3 — Letter No. 31 — Letter No. 34 — Letter No. 43 — Letter No. 53 — Letter No. 63 — Letter No. 74 — Letter No. 96 — Cardinal about to return — Unbroken Union 193

BullRangifer (talk) 06:17, 8 September 2017 (UTC)