Talk:Salah Khalaf

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online biography (hard to read because badly formatting)

I removed material that was self-contradictory.

The following statement:

To honor this Palestinian "Hero", a sports center funded by the U.S. and USAID in the West Bank town of Fara'a was named after him (Salah Khalaf).

does not strictly agree with www.usaid.gov article which states that the grant was to add recreation facilities to the existing Salah Khalaf Center in al-Fara'a. I'm not sure how to add the fact that there is a cetner named after him in that town.

The biography sited at the top gives me the impression that Abu Lyad was willing to take his own position even if it differed from his colleagues; I'm not willing to say that in my own words as beign outside my area of expertise.

Salah Khalaf

I suggest moving this article to Salah Khalaf. This is the proper name. "Abu Iyad" is a kunya, an honorific name. --Yodakii 06:01, 2 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know. Everyone called him Abu Iyad. I've made Salah Khalaf a redirect in the meantime. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 06:10, 2 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

In Arab society people are commonly called by their kunya, sometimes it's preffered, as its considered more polite. But no one is registered by their kunya. We all know who Abu Ammar and Abu Mazen are. Though that is how they are commonly called, their proper names are used as article titles. Salah Khalaf may be by far the most well known Abu Iyad in the media, but I still think the proper name should be used as a title to avoid any ambiguity, and in lists to ease identification (instead of searching a long list of Abus). --Yodakii 06:51, 2 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, well I have no objection if you want to move it. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 07:03, 2 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

There's already a page at Salah Khalaf, so I couldn't move it automatically. Could you move it? Or should I make a request? --Yodakii 08:35, 2 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Done. I've also changed the article. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 08:51, 2 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Black September

I've requested a citation for the claim that only Israel and the U.S. alleged Abu Iyad founded Black September. I'll have a look around for one myself. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 17:39, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Tag removal

One of the tags is "refimprove"- there is at least one statement in the article which is tagged as needing a citation - which you did not fix, so you can't remove that tag. Epson Salts (talk) 20:02, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You're being silly. You showed up for the first time on this page a day after I edited it, and I have edited it over the last 2 years. It is rarely edited, and, lo and behold, as soon as I return to it, you suddenly notice its existence, try and wipe out stuff on spurious pretexts, and restore tags that had lost their raison d'etres. It took me a minute to fix the last tag query. How long did it take you to revert me, without so much as a simple google search to see if you also might find what the tag asked for?

In short, don't edit pages with a removalist/tagging attitude before doing some work to fix them yourself.Nishidani (talk) 20:33, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You need to stop telling others how to edit, and start editing acceding to policy, meaning, among other things, not removing tags unless you fix the issue. And, doing this or this and then complaining that I "showed up for the first time on this page a day after I edited it," requires a fair mount of gall, which you apparently have in spades. Epson Salts (talk) 21:10, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oh! I see, your sudden presence here is retaliatory then. Enough said. Nishidani (talk) 21:23, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

My presence here is to improve the encyclopedia, and prod lazy editors to actually fix the issues that were tagged, rather than simply removing the tags. Can you explain how you found your way to Jewish Voice for Peace or Temple Mount entry restrictions, two articles you had never previously edited, but somehow showed up to edit a few hours after I did so? Epson Salts (talk) 21:33, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I was trained to listen closely to prose at a microlevel. It tells one all sorts of things, since it's like a thumbprint. Good luck.Nishidani (talk) 22:00, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

~~What? how is that an answer to what I asked you? Epson Salts (talk) 22:11, 13 August 2016 (UTC)~~[reply]

I like the cattle-prod metaphor and its dominance tone. I note you did 500 trivial edits to qualify for the zone, so you could exercise a tyro right to flash the cattle prod at editors like myself to get them to do more work you don't care to do, editors with 48,000 edits and way over a thousand pages on their watch lists (including those above) to help manage. Do you ever stop to think of the implications of what you write? Nishidani (talk) 10:37, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Edit on 17 August 2018, user SuperMac, re Munich

Page was edited as per above to include reference to how Khalaf claimed responsibility for Munich in his memoirs. No page number was provided in the references, and no electronic copy is forthcoming on the internet. Does anyone have access to a physical copy for reference? --3Form (talk) 19:40, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

French interviews, or 'memoir', claims about content thereof

The last available talk page post, from 2018, addresses this partially, but it appears that nothing further took place. Claims about Salah Khalaf's open admission to involvement in the Munich hostage operation in his 'memoir' (Apparently a collection of interviews originally published in French), up to the claim of his having admitted to 'hand-picking' some of the agents, are extraordinary. Writing here and elsewhere on Abu Daoud's writings on involvement in the operation, and his own claims of Khalaf's involvement and general presiding over 'Black September' operations, are more openly available, with quotations and elaboration, despite the full text of the memoir (This actually appearing to be a proper memoir, also originally published in French) being seemingly unavailable online, as well; Existing forms of the claim about Khalaf's collection, however, give little more detail than the hidden section here, with many, although not all, being dated after the addition of the text hidden here. In writings where this claim is not made, despite often dating after the English publication of this collection of interviews with Khalaf, the role of Khalaf in 'Black September' operations and the Munich attack is recounted as allegation. Given the seemingly extraordinary character of the claim about this 'memoir' and its contents, and of supposed admitting therein, the now-hidden text should, I say, remain hidden until either a page number, and preferably a cited portion, is provided for the 'memoir', or until sound justification for the actual deletion of the section manifests in relation to this. The separate part of the hidden section about the alleged transportation of weapons may be added again at a future date regardless, with revision to clarify its sourcing from Abu Daoud's own memoir; And the part which explicitly mentions Abu Daoud's memoir, as well. If added once again, these two parts should be added together with revision and, hopefully, proper expansion. Zusty001 (talk) 08:32, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]