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I think we should include some of the oldest mosques in the article. LatinoMuslim 16:37, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Books:
Some ideas include mention of the book:
'Muslims of the Heartland' explores how immigrants made the Midwest home in the early 20th century | WKAR Public Media
https://www.wkar.org/wkar-news/2022-02-24/muslims-of-the-heartland-explores-how-immigrants-made-the-midwest-home-in-the-early-20th-century LatinoMuslim 16:40, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Mosques:
Mosque images that can be included:
Highland Park, Michigan, 1921, mosque
https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/MIDNR/bulletins/2ce24f3
Ross, North Dakota, 1929, mosque
https://www.reddit.com/r/Lost_Architecture/comments/ivd5rt/the_earliest_photographed_purposebuilt_mosque_in/?rdt=43168
Michigan City, Indiana, 1931, mosque
https://twitter.com/EdwardECurtisIV/status/1383752941404770304
Cedar Rapids, Iowa, 1934, mosque
https://mothermosque.org/history/
LatinoMuslim 16:46, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have to ask whether any of those were Ahmedi? Ahmedism was more prominent than "ordinary" Islam in the U.S. in the early 20th century... AnonMoos (talk) 20:29, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@AnonMoos Ahmadis are not Muslims. 39.34.135.121 (talk) 09:34, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's what the government of Pakistan says, but it doesn't change the fact that Ahmedis were rather prominent in the U.S. during the first half of the 20th century, and built some of the buildings called "mosques", until large-scale immigration of adherents of other types of Islam occurred under the 1965 law, and other reasons... AnonMoos (talk) 20:43, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi {{{JimRenge}}}, Quranists, Ahmadiyyas, and Mahdavis are not Muslims. Thus, describing their presence in United States in the article about Islam is inaccurate. 144.48.128.244 (talk) 02:30, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
144.48.128.244/39.34.135.121, we try to structure the article in a way that reflects what mainstream sources say about the topic. Per Encyclopedia Britannica "Ah-.madiyyah, modern Islamic sect and a name shared by several Sufi (Muslim mystic) orders." ([1]) They are regarded as an Islamic sect although "the sect's doctrine is unorthodox in some aspects." JimRenge (talk) 10:40, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@JimRenge Frankly, Encyclopedia Britannica is inaccurate on this matter. The Ahmadiyyas are not just "unorthodox" in some matters, but are declared non-Muslims by all denominations, sects, and schools of Islamic thought because they do not believe in Prophet Muḥammad ﷺ being the last Prophet of God, which is a belief required to be a Muslim. Quranists reject Ḥadīth which is also disbelief in Islam. Mahdavis are also declared non-Muslims. 144.48.128.244 (talk) 07:25, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have strong opinions about something which is not my religion (except I find the government of Pakistan's attitudes toward physicist Abdus Salam to often be strange). However, those who edit this article should be aware that if Ahmadis are excluded, then there were very few Muslims and very few institutional manifestations of Islam in the early 20th century United States (outside of foreign diplomats in Washington DC). It might also mean that some of the mosques listed above could not be included on the article... AnonMoos (talk) 11:14, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@AnonMoos Okay. Remove those so called "mosques" too from the article because Ahmadiyyas are not Muslims. 144.48.128.244 (talk) 07:20, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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