Talk:September 11

--mav 00:16, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Selected anniversaries for the "On this day" section of the Main Page

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September 11: National Day of Catalonia United Airlines Flight 175 striking the World Trade Center's South Tower 1297 – First War of Scottish Independence: Scottish forces under Andrew Moray and William Wallace defeated English troops at the Battle of Stirling Bridge on the River Forth. 1978 – British medical photographer Janet Parker became the last recorded person to die from smallpox, leading to a debate on whether the virus should be preserved. 1995 – Mir EO-19, the first expedition to the Russian space station Mir launched on an American Space Shuttle, returned to Earth after approximately 75 days in space. 2001 – al-Qaeda hijacked four passenger airliners to carry out a series of terrorist attacks (one pictured) against targets in New York City and the area of Washington, D.C., killing 2,977 people. Stephen Hagiochristophorites (d. 1185) Paul Nahaolelua (b. 1806) Mary Watson Whitney (b. 1847) Issy Smith (d. 1940) More anniversaries: September 10 September 11 September 12

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Hat notes

The addition of a hat note for the 1973 Chilean Coup, is not appropriate for this page. Hat notes are only to be used if someone could reasonably have typed in the name of the article expecting to arrive at a different article. See WP:HN. -- Mufka ^{(u) (t) (c)} 23:27, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Its also a PVO issue for notable events(Lihaas (talk) 23:28, 13 May 2011 (UTC)).

Please elaborate. I'm not following you. -- Mufka ^{(u) (t) (c)} 23:30, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

RS sources have noted it as a proper noun [1][2][3] + [4][5]

even more ironic "Tuesday 11 September 1973 two jets launched' a deadly attack "(Lihaas (talk) 23:34, 13 May 2011 (UTC)).

I'm not seeing anything that indicates that the event is called September 11. What is the likelihood that someone would type in September 11 expecting to get to 1973 Chilean coup d'état? If the likelihood is low then we're just subjectively elevating one event to a hat note over all the others. In the links you provide, it just seems that the date is mentioned as part of the story. Even if I stop someone on the street in Chile and ask them what they think of when I say September 11 and they say the 1973 coup that doesn't build a significant argument. If I asked the question in several countries and the answer was the 1973 coup (or even if the 1973 coup was in the top 5) that might be a good argument. -- Mufka ^{(u) (t) (c)} 23:49, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Speaking from outside the USA, my understanding is Wikipedia was started in the USA... but I think the key thing to consider here is what do we want Wikipedia to be? What is the vision? Is it simply a magazine for those Americans with a constant need to reinforce their own world view? Or is it a worldwide encyclopaedia telling us about things we didn't already know - about ourselves & about others who we share the earth with? I am one, just one of the many who look up September 11 each year. When I look up look up this date on Wikipedia though it is to see how Wikipedia is coming along in its vision. The debate on these talk pages is more encouraging this year but the result on the main page looks like showing me again what I perceive as parochial bias. I don't think the victims of Pinochet would wish to be associated in any way with Al Quaida, nevertheless on the day when the attacks on New York happened many around the world were remembering the events of '73, and wondering if the terrorists had planned it that way...

Noam Chomsky seems to think it's called september 11th: "what in Latin America is often called “the first 9/11”: September 11, 1973, when the US succeeded in its intensive efforts to overthrow the democratic government of Salvador Allende in Chile with a military coup that placed General Pinochet’s brutal regime in office" <ref>http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/09/20119775453842191.html</ref> — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.215.116.206 (talk) 00:52, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

you wanted RS sources of the proper noun to show the use. WP is not google. it eeds to be npov. it nots part of the story (fuirst 3 links) its he crux of the story by RS sources, well maybe the question should be asked for further proof.(Lihaas (talk) 00:52, 14 May 2011 (UTC)).

I'm sorry, but I'm having trouble understanding your argument. What proper noun are you talking about? And where are you seeing POV? Perhaps it would be better to focus on the true question as I have asked above: What is the likelihood that someone would type in September 11 expecting to get to 1973 Chilean coup d'état? -- Mufka ^{(u) (t) (c)} 01:38, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Sept 11 as a specific event. the likelihood of someone TYPING something is not grounds for an encyclopaedic assessment of notability. this is not twitter or google.(Lihaas (talk) 03:46, 14 May 2011 (UTC)).

I think you misunderstand the purpose of a hat note. The purpose is to get someone to where they thought they would get by typing in the name of an article. If it were anything other than that, we could potentially have 50 hat notes on every date article. Elevating one event to a hat note over another for any other reason does have POV issues and is entirely subjective. -- Mufka ^{(u) (t) (c)} 13:17, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

"Were obviously not putting everything, were putting mega events and the parallels have certainly be noted (mostly for being irnoic)(Lihaas (talk) 12:02, 24 June 2011 (UTC)).

• If you want to indulge in original research disguised as commentary, by all means launch your own 'Ironicpaedia'. Here, I'm afraid, we'll just have to deal with the factual thingies. And the proper purpose of hat notes, as been explained to you multiple times. --CalendarWatcher (talk) 12:28, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Secondary proposal

How about redirecting it to a disambiguation page? The link at the top may be hard to find for infrequent readers. I don't know if disambiguations work for just two articles, but is this a viable alternative? NYyankees51 (talk) 16:56, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Almost all the oppose arguments above are based on the principle that this date should be handled in the same way as the other 365, your proposal would be met with exactly the same response. There is already a link at the top of this article, how that could be seen as hard to find escapes me. It's up to you, of course, but I would move on from this. MrMarmite (talk) 20:44, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

So because 2/3 of the people going to September 11 were inconvenienced by having a second click, you want to make it so... 3/3 of the people going to September 11 are inconvenienced by a second click?? --Golbez (talk) 21:06, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Any arguments against that proposal would be identical to the ones already made against the previous proposal. Give the damn thing a rest. Friginator (talk) 21:44, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Articles named after dates and years should be about the dates and years themselves, without exception. This is one of the rare cases where there is need for such a strict rule. JIP | Talk 18:42, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

To be added

Sept 11, 1906: Mahatma Gandhi started his non-violence movement. Source: (page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi ) In 1906, the Transvaal government promulgated a new Act compelling registration of the colony's Indian population. At a mass protest meeting held in Johannesburg on 11 September that year, Gandhi adopted his still evolving methodology of satyagraha (devotion to the truth), or non-violent protest, for the first time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.83.175.171 (talk) 17:51, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Sept 11th 1893: the Hindu monk Swami Vivekananda delivered a speech at International Parliament of Religions in Chicago about the basic tenets of Hindu Philosophy. And it was a turning point in the outlook of the world towards Hindus and Hindu philosophy.

Can't currently add it due to the page being protected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.246.227.38 (talk) 16:46, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Do you have a source for this? Particularly the "turning point in the outlook of the world towards Hindus and Hindu philosophy" bit? N419BH 04:06, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Sept 11th 1836: Rio-Grandense Republic become independent from the Brazilian Empire. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.4.211.60 (talk) 01:11, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Sept 11th 1855: William Mulholland's birthday

Sept 11th 1864: Draga Mašin 's birthday — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.109.48.24 (talk) 16:44, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Typo

The 9/11/2012 should be written "mission" instead of "missiong". --173.77.225.251 (talk) 23:37, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

 Done, thank you for spotting that. David1217 ^{What I've done} 00:45, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Cheers!--173.77.225.251 (talk) 00:54, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

A plea for consistency in entries

When people are listed on these date pages, please can I ask that the information given matches that on their web page. Far too often it does not.

Description of nationality is a particular issue. There are a number of hyphenated references for nationality. Is there a protocol in Wikipedia for listing nationality? It seems to me that if someone is born a certain nationality they don't stop being that nationality even if they work or live in other countries. The only change is if they renounce their original nationality.

Description of British nationality also seems an issue. On his wiki page Julian Byng is described as a British army officer. On the page for September 11 he was described as an 'English army officer'. Post 1700s this is incorrect. There is no 'English' army. I have corrected this to match his wiki page.

Robata (talk) 23:16, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

While it isn't addressed directly anywhere (that I have found), we could take direction from WP:OPENPARAGRAPH. In summary, nation of citizenship should be listed and "previous nationalities or the country of birth should not be mentioned in the opening sentence unless they are relevant to the subject's notability". Since the descriptions generally come from the opening paragraph of the bio article, this makes sense. But on review I think many bios don't follow this guideline anyway. There's also a tendency to "over-nationalize" everything possible. -- Mufka ^{(u) (t) (c)} 23:58, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Remove Battle of Burki and replace with the 1973 Chilean coup d'état

Sorry, but the 1973 Chilean coup d'état was far more important an event than this Battle of Burki. Should have something read that the government of Salvador Allende was ousted in a coup d'état which brought Augusto Pinochet to power. --Kuzwa (talk) 19:53, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

When you edit the box at the top, it states that the 1973 coup is ineligible to be in On This Day due to reference issues. In fact, someone brought this up today, at Wikipedia_talk:Selected_anniversaries/September_11. Please contribute to the thread there, as it looks like it's hopefully a temporary issue (as I agree, that's more important than the Battle of Burki). --Golbez (talk) 20:34, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 August 2014

Noticed a small mistake in the 1852 entry. It says "17 September 17" which should probably be replaced by either "17 September" or "September 17". Bergen79 (talk) 14:31, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Done Thanks for the correction suggested. Anupmehra -Let's talk! 15:29, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

battle of Vienna?

Maybe the 1683 Battle of Vienna should be added as it occurred on September 11th (and 12th)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.21.77.79 (talk) 08:05, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Anna Lindh

- Given the prominence of the 2001 attacks, one may look for historical links to 9/11. - Anna Lindh was not assassinated on September 11th (but on the 10th), so first of all the article is plainly wrong in this point. Secondly, there seems to be no link. She died one day after her attack, which coincidentally was the 11th. 86.155.159.146 (talk) 20:48, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

I don't know what all that stuff about 9/11 is, but yes, the labeling of her assassination being on the 11th might be inaccurate. Do you have an alternate wording to suggest? --Golbez (talk) 21:31, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 September 2014

2014: on the streets of Barcelona (Spain) about 1.8 million people gather, according to the general account of the Generalitat de Catalunya, in the biggest demonstration so far in Europe "Volem votar, ara és l'hora" because of the claim of the right to vote for the "Independence of Catalonia". Eduwht (talk) 22:27, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

 Not done We don't seem to have a specific article on this event, to link to - Arjayay (talk) 10:07, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Johnny Vegas

Right: I’ve taken [Vegas] OFF of this page: as his correct date of birth is on the 5th September, 1970 … !!

9-1-1 emergency number

It's worth noting that the WTC terrorist attacks were chosen for September 11 because that date spells out 9-1-1, the emergency phone number. That context would be missing for those not in the US and it's important to note. Otherwise it would seem like a completely random date. It does our readers a service to contextualize info. 173.2.236.247 (talk) 03:40, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

If that is true then it doesn't belong here, it belongs on the article for the attacks. But ... it's not true. Do you have a source saying this? --Golbez (talk) 04:49, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Edit Request - 1939 - Canada declares war on Germany

Canada did NOT declare war on Germany on September 11 - it was September 10th — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.223.168.206 (talk) 17:37, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Deaths of Terrorists

Suggestion that under "Deaths", the section referring to "2001 casualties" be changed to something like "Deaths during the September 11th Terrorist Attacks." Or take the sub-category out entirely (other pages about days do not include sub categories for deaths or births, for instance. Or if a sub category is required, have two -- one would be for Victims of the September 11th Terrorist Attack" and one for "Perpetrators of the September 11th Terrorist Attacks." Spinfisher (talk) 18:47, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

It is not uncommon for deaths occurring as the result of a single incident to be grouped; see, for example, the year and day entries for the day the music died. Grouping as "victims" and "perps" seems a reasonable idea. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 20:45, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Regarding Libya

11 people died in total; 4 were American and the remaining 7 were Libyans — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.3.5.223 (talk) 00:31, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

2001

A simple question: Why on earth is the 2001 entry written the way it is? Did somebody look at that and say, "Yeah, that's the important information about that day"? 2602:306:CCDE:8C50:DCF0:BA89:C7A9:2E4D (talk) 15:58, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Oops, sorry, I saw the entry about the Taiwanese girl group, and that's what I responded to above. I was under the impression that that was all that this page said about 9/11/01. Regardless, though, I suspect that very few people care that a Taiwanese girl group was formed that day. 2602:306:CCDE:8C50:DCF0:BA89:C7A9:2E4D (talk) 16:02, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Edit Request - 1683 - Turkish Conquer of the Europe stopped by a Polish King at Vienna (todays Austria)

If anything it would be Turkish attempted conquest of Europe stopped at Vienna; but I doubt it will be approved. Quis separabit? 15:46, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Births and deaths

In accordance with the guidelines, I've started weeding the Births and Deaths sections of Date articles by removing entries for celebrities with 0-4 articles in other languages. Where possible, these have been transferred to the relevant Year in Topic articles. As well as making the lists more manageable, this will help with the globalization effort. Quis separabit? 20:34, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 August 2016

Can you please add in Andy Whitfield in the deaths section? This is what it should say:

• 2011 – Andy Whitfield, Welsh actor and model

But do not add his year of birth because sources are in conflict on HIS talk page.

Thank you.

206.45.9.182 (talk) 18:32, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Done — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 15:59, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Can you please add to births section

Bob Catley - English vocalist (Magnum) born 11 Sept 1947 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.97.228.129 (talk) 18:20, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

BATTLE OF VIENNA

I thought wikipedia was there to publish the truth? Why is the Battle of Vienna not added to this list??? I saw that this has been remarked multiple times, yet wikipedia refuses to add it to the list. So wikipedia is in effect censoring the truth, probably due to political pressure. Or is history subjective according to wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ubertroll47 (talk • contribs) 10:47, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

Battle of Vienna has an article which is linked in September 12 and 750 other Wikipedia articles at Special:WhatLinksHere/Battle of Vienna. It must be one of the least effective censorships ever. Often a multi-day event is only listed on the first or last day. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:12, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

Exactly, and according to Battle of Vienna#Battle, the main event happened on the 12th. Favonian (talk) 11:19, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

Bert Anciaux

Please someone add his 1959 birthday to the list. I may for whatever reason not edit the list. 83.85.143.141 (talk) 02:30, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

He can't be added without a reference. Deb (talk) 17:11, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

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2020: 75th anniversary of the liberation of Batu Lintang camp

I know it's a bit late in the day to ask for an addition to the list of 'On this day' dates, but Friday 11 September is the 75th anniversary of the liberation of Batu Lintang camp. Could this be added please? Jasper33 (talk) 11:17, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

The selected anniversaries box above says that the article has an unsourced section - I have just added the required references to the article. I can't however remove the section in the box above saying it has an unsourced section. Jasper33 (talk) 12:14, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Removal of 9/11 terror attack photos or redesign of entire page

It seems highly inconsistent to have pictures of this event and no others, especially as the September 11 terror attacks have their own article. The logical courses of action here are A, remove the photos from the day article or B, revise the entire page to include photos germane to other events listed. 104.218.66.35 (talk) 16:21, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

I agree. Deb (talk) 17:07, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

I also agree, which is why I have just removed the image. Kiwipete (talk) 07:14, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Kurkse tragedy

Please add the Kurkse tragedy, an event that happened on 11th September 1997. Here is the wikipedia page: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurkse_tragedy Artur The Third (talk) 14:44, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Just provide a citation verifying the date and we can add it. Deb (talk) 17:19, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Sadly i am doubtful that there exist any english articles about the tragedy, but the two english citations in the wikipedia article mention it happening in september, and the estonian articles state the date. (For example, this english citation and this estonian one) I am not quite sure if this would work. Artur The Third (talk) 16:09, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

@Artur The Third: There is no requirement that the source be in English. All that we need is a WP:Reliable Source in any language. Folks can use Google Translate, other translation software or read it in the other language to satisfy WP:Verifiability. Toddst1 (talk) 18:19, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

I found a good chronological sequence of the events. It translates very well for non-estonian speakers. https://elu.ohtuleht.ee/245355/kurkse-surmaretke-kronoloogia Artur The Third (talk) 17:01, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

727 disappearance

Hi there. I want to request that someone add the vanishing of a Faucett Boeing 727 taken place on September 11th, 1990. Here's the reference if needed. Thanks for your attention.--179.6.196.234 (talk) 10:15, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

<ref name= "WPST">{{cite news |last1=Claiborne |first1=William |title=PERUVIAN AIRLINER LOST IN ATLANTIC OFF CANADA |url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1990/09/12/peruvian-airliner-lost-in-atlantic-off-canada/df4b9e17-fcaf-4de3-a1d8-f5173446eb4d/ |access-date=27 December 2020 |work=Washington Post |date=12 September 1990}}</ref><ref name="ASN" />

 Done Elli (talk | contribs) 16:33, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

September 11th, 1981, was Dylan Klebold’s birthday

This should be added 2601:1C1:8100:1680:942B:CCE7:3D32:F43C (talk) 04:53, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Why? Deb (talk) 12:29, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

The Blueprint

The Blueprint (Jay-Z Album) was released September 11, 2001. I don't see it anywhere on the page and I don't know how to put it in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trozenator (talk • contribs) 18:37, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@Trozenator: you need to create a link to the wiki article, The Blueprint, and make sure you include an inline reference, i.e. something inside <ref></ref> tags. Thanks, Kiwipete (talk) 04:25, 25 February 2022 (UTC)